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Sally Jewell does not mess around when it comes to the environment, or Trump

Chances are you’ve heard the name Sally Jewell in engineering, business, recreational, environmental or political news. Her career has touched on all of those areas, from her early days in the oil fields of Oklahoma to a long stretch in the banking industry; from a successful run as CEO of REI to becoming only the second woman to serve as U.S. Secretary of the Interior.

Oh, and she’s climbed Mount Rainier seven times and raised two children.

Jewell grew up in the Seattle area and studied at the University of Washington. She’s headed to Harvard University next to teach at The Kennedy School. During her brief hiatus back home Ashley Ahearn, host of KUOW’s podcast terrestrial, was able to sit Jewell down long enough for an in-depth conversation on how business and politics impact the environment in these tumultuous times.

They spoke on August 31 at The Mountaineers Program Center. Sonya Harris recorded the event.

Listen to the full version below:

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